With the revelation of the Book of Ben Kathryn we now have a great deal more light on the topic of the Times of the Gentiles and how it relates to the Seventy Weeks prophesy of Daniel wherein the temple/sanctuary will be “trodden under foot” (Dan 8:13). Hopefully this article will make it clear what the Fullness of the Gentiles is, help us understand clearly the sign of its arrival and understand how it relates to Daniel’s Prophesies and to the coming restoration of Israel.
“The Times of the Gentiles” is a very significant phrase. It is mentioned twice in the New Testament, twice in the Book of Mormon, twice in the Doctrine & Covenants and roughly twice in the Book of Ben Kathryn. It is closely related to the term “fullness of times” as well as Daniel’s “weeks” and Revelation’s “time, times and half time” and stands in contrast to the ‘Time of Israel’. As a general overview, the ‘Time of Israel’ was the period of time spanning between Moses and Christ. In contrast the ‘Times of the Gentiles’ is the period of time spanning from the destruction of the Temple & Israel to their restoration some time in the near future. Before we get too dogmatic we must interject that it is obvious that there are sub-types and symbolic parallels which complicate this simplified view. Events such as the completion of Solomon’s Temple and the Babylonian destruction of the temple, and the construction of the Dome on the Rock on the temple site serve as markers for dual fulfillment of the prophesies regarding these terms.
Eccl 3:2, Daniel 7:25, Gen 1:14–18, Luke 1:57, John 7:8 and Jeremiah 5:24 (compare Douay-Rheims Translation with King James) help us to understand the definition of the biblical terms “full time”, as being the completion of a cyclical period—and its relationship to harvest-time or the delivery date of a pregnancy. When Elisabeth’s “full time came that she should be delivered”, it meant she was full term and ready to be delivered any day. Likewise when “the fullness of the yearly harvest” is come it referred to the “appointed weeks” of the yearly harvest arriving and harvest needing to occur as soon as weather conditions permitted.
Just as ancient and modern Israel (like many societies) measured their pregnancies and crop harvests in weeks, so too did the Biblical Jehovah or the higher dimensional group He represents give the periods between their “sowing of the Gospel” (or conception of their “man-child”) and their end-time harvest of souls to heaven or birth of their “son” and Heavenly Kingdom. The text, Oahspe speaks of the significance of “times” of prophecy stating…
18/6.20. Times and half times I have given to My [earth] worlds and their heavens. In a time I have made a full resurrection to those who aspire to My heavens above… But in a time I manifest a new light, for such, also, are My creations. Do not think that I have given seasons to corporeal worlds only; I gave seasons to [heaven], also.
18/6.21. Is a summer on the earth not half a time? And the winter half a time? And the two, one full time? So also I created for [heaven] a Time of four hundred years, and a half time of two hundred years. And in seven times and one half time I created one dan’ha.
18/6.22. For thousands of years I sent My Gods to teach these things, so that My angels could know the times of My resurrections [ascensions between dimensions]. Does a farmer not have knowledge of the resurrection of spring, when I cover the earth over with new growing things, which I raise up out of the earth? How much more knowledge should My angels have of My spring times, in [heaven], when My archangels come to gather in My harvests of [saved] souls?
The distinctions of time, times and half times were used by the ancients as a reference to a cosmological time frame distinguishing the period of a full harvest of souls. A harvest or resurrection being a time when the earth’s magnetic field drops sufficiently to allow movement between earth’s heavenly dimensions. (see my article on Time, Times and half Times for more detail concerning the prophetic cosmological calendar)
under construction… to finish….[Daniel teaches us that a “time” or Dan for the present cycle is roughly 490 years (seven hebdomads). So from above we see 7 1/2 times equals roughly 3430 yrs (490*7=3430, +1/2 or 245 yrs = 3675). Which is the time from Moses to Kosmon (which Oahspe teaches was the beginning of this dan’ha at 1556 BC). So it was 7 dan’s to ~1874 (beginning of Kosmon; there’s a lag between Kosmon and the Carrington event of ’59 for some reason). Plus 245 will put us at ~2119. In the midst of that “week” is crazily 1996, when the BOBK prophesy is given. There should be a bunch of sub-types within this last 1/2 Dan.. I need to find those. So how does the 490 from Ezra to Christ fit in – ?] [Dan’s are, starting at 1556 BC, 1. 1066 BC, 2. 576 BC, 3. 86 BC, 4. 404 AD, 5. 894 AD, 6. 1384 AD, 7. 1874 AD. 7 1/2. 2119 AD. Dig in and find there are differences between cosmological times and prophetic times. and there’s a delay between solar flares and the time it takes filter through the heavens and affect human events. ]
God sent abundant messengers with his own Son at the pinnacle to signal to Israel that their “time” or cycle had come to a full. He was the messenger of the final hebdomad/week of Israel and ushered in the final week/40 years of grace before the nation, temple and religion were destroyed by Rome beginning in 70 AD. Do we expect so much less of a warning to signal the destruction of the gentile nations, church and influence?
The Book of Ben Kathryn seems to lay this out pretty clear in chapter 21
1. THUS saith the LORD thy God, in the year of the 70th hebdomad of the Gentiles set thy face to the east, and set it to the west, to the north and then to the south, and prophecy thou against them: Your times come to the full. [ie. You’ve reached the “fullness of your times” or the “fullness of the Gentiles”] The LORD God setteth ye a time to repent…
6. In the year of their 70th hebdomad, so set thy face against them and thus prophecy thou: In your probation ye shall traverse 40 miles. Your watchmen shall fall to the side of the road, the might of their camels collapse, the burden of their loads dropped aside; and ye shall leave their parched bones…
…When thy probation shall be ended I shall smash thee against the wall, for empty thou shalt be, and a vase be of no value unless it is set to the purpose to which it is intended…
So the LORD says in the beginning of the final hebdomad or prophetic “week”, go prophesy and tell the gentiles that their time is almost up. So how will we know when when this time arrives? Ben Kathryn will “prophesy against them”. In Nabion Chapter 23, the prophet is given some detail as to what this will entail.
SMITE thou the ground and I shall raise up prophets as the dust to afflict this generation. Look up Israel, look up, behold the latter rain as before, saith the LORD. Look up and feel the steady rain. Lift up the head of Israel, remove thou the plate. Hear the child cry from afar: The miracles of our God, the miracles of our God— a child is cleansed; a maiden is raised from the dead; a man without legs walketh. Behold again in the name of Jesus Christ this is done in Israel. Look up, O Israel, believe and greet thy redeemer as he cometh.
2 Send my knights before my face. Go, thy God cometh. I stand upon Zion and brace my scepter in the mount. I am thy great general and thy exceeding great hero.
3 And the LORD said unto me, How long did I wrest thee from the Gentiles and take thee unto thy people which thou knewest not?
4 And I said “40 years.”
5 So shall I turn Israel.
6 Yea, LORD, come. Blessed be the name of the LORD. I say ye, Blessed is he who cometh in the name of the LORD.
Some authors have interpreted the captivity of chapter 63 verse 5 of the Book of Ben Kathryn as predominately the period spanning the creation of the Israeli state in 1947 to 2017. In other words suggesting that this “captivity” is mostly in the past and will end with Israel’s spiritual awakening within a decade. As much as I would love for this to be the case I just don’t see it supported in the text or in historical types.
Read the text in chapter 63 of the Book of Ben Kathryn carefully, and notice the tense. The LORD says I appoint you captivity again. In other words, “right now I am appointing you seventy years captivity again”. Not “I appointed 70 years captivity to you in the past which you are now serving”.
4 Even soon do I bring my word to pass, and ye shall part before the storm of the LORD. Give little attention to my words, ye hard-hearted? So shall the nations and peoples give little attention to it for the convulsions that shall be upon them. Each shall fear at his own fence and cast not an eye to Jerusalem.
5 Because ye sought the land to take comfort in it, and because the heathen proclaimed to you that land was the jewel of my covenant, hear ye this word from the LORD: I appoint you to 70 years of captivity again, captivity and desolation in your own land, captivity which ye expounders of false laws could not extract because of your hard hearts, and because ye sought land and not the LORD. Because ye sought a god of your creation I have given you no place to call upon.
I agree that the 70 years likely has dual fulfillment which mirrors the types given in the Babylonian captivity, but it would seem that the last of these captivities (and the worst of them) lies wholly in the future. This issue seems to be further clarified here in chapter 66…
AND the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, The LORD will not relent upon the matter, even upon his issue with Judaea… Jerusalem is in desolation and no man layeth it to heart. There is bloodguiltness, and no man considereth.
2 Ye turn aside your faces from the merchandise of Gog, and the affliction of the maidens of Magog, in that they are caused to be made harlots. Therefore I have turned my face away from thine indenturing to America, and thou shalt be indentured for a season as the harlots of Magog, the merchandise of Gog and Damascus. But thy bed shall not cause thee to earn thy redemption. I, the LORD, shall redeem thee. I shall redeem thee from the indenture… I shall smite Damascus in battle, for it is the head of a serpent that doth coil through Tyre and Zidon, Berytus, and unto Aleppo. Its tongue dangleth out, and the venom on its tip is Amman.
You see Jerusalem is currently “in desolation” because Israel has been in a 70 year spiritual captivity to America and the West since its founding. But it yet still WILL BE in physical captivity to another power. And what is that power? It is none other than the Gog & Magog of Ezekial 38 (see my Article The Book of Ben Kathryn and the Battle of Gog and Magog. This soon to emerge Islamic State seems to be a confederation of nations involving Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia which will undoubtedly be responsible for the prophesied destruction spoken of in chapter 44 verse 9 soon to be visited on Jerusalem and Tel Aviv…
8 And the LORD instructed me, Go place a caldron at Damascus Gate, for out of the north I will bring tumult on this land and on this city Jerusalem. It shall be a river. The American shall pass through this gate to Joppa way, as a river also, and he shall no more return. For I make Jerusalem a caldron and the Syrian as the boiling water seeking its stony hearth.
9 For they have provoked me in all that they have provoked, saying, The American will deliver us. I am angry with Jerusalem and discontent with Tel Aviv. I shall make Jerusalem as the handle of the caldron, and Tel Aviv a morsel in the seething therein. I moreover shall make your walls as the potsherd and Tel Aviv as the shards of its residue. Hear this word that I have spoken, O Jerusalem, and turn and repent that I shall relent.
I would guess that the afore mentioned “serpent” is closely connected with Hezbollah and ISIS, but at some point will gain full regional political control. Not a sly conspiracy of lowly rogue states, but a fully formed BEAST with wings legs and claws. Continuing the same chapter, it sounds to me that the prophesy suggests that after this conspiracy of Palestinian neighbors (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan & Saudi Arabia) attack Jerusalem and destroy Tel Aviv along with a central U.S. city (see ch __ v. __) that Egypt and Turkey will step in to stop the carnage, and in the aftermath a new Islamic Empire or confederation will emerge comparable to the Ottoman Empire challenging Western Hegemony.
…for the LORD overturneth the counsel of sly men, and bringeth to nought the pacts of those whose purpose is underhanded. Fear not Arabia or her handsome princes clad in flowing garments, for when Damascus calleth for the light of day, in the day of battle, the House of Saud shall not bear it, as a burrowing creature cannot bear the light of day. So shall the LORD God overturn the House of Saud and all the princes thereof, and bring to nought the counsel of the beautiful men of the east and the priests of Mecca.
4 The word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Speak unto Israel, saying: Thou shalt not abhor the Egyptians, for I shall break the rod of Ishmael through them, and as cracks in a dam shall Islam break from Egypt, and the cracks shall spread unto Turkey. They shall rejoice in what they had before, and shall say unto the nations: Are we not a crown of the nations? Is not Greece our stepchild and Rome our admirer?
5 Shall the West brag over us? Is the West not our stepchild? We shall go to the West, to our stepchild. The desert shall teach us nothing, but we shall encroach upon the desert. Alexandria was mother and Constantinople our nanny.
It is this beast which I believe will not only hold Israel captive for one more 70 year period, but will also nearly bring down the power of the West. They will cut off our oil supply (“the American shall walk on foot” ch. 45:12), and most likely finally bring down the dollar and Euro as the worlds reserve currency (ch. 65:1-8). Alliances between this new empire, China and Russia will bring to pass many of the prophesies in the Book of Revelation concerning “buying and selling”. In short, the hegemony the west has held over the world since the Colonial era will be returned onto our own heads. But the difficult economic times brought about to both Israel and the West during this period will serve as God’s way of humbling us. Islam will surge, Gentile Christianity will continue to wain, but this new religious movement of Restored Israel and Restorationalist Christianity will explode as God sends prophets “like flies to afflict this generation”. And out of the newly plowed field, will grow a movement which will eventually encompass the globe to an extent more impressive than the wholesale conversion of Roman & Sassinid provinces to Christianity in the centuries after Christ.
14 Awake! Let thy reason return. Riyadh grinneth as a fat cat behind his shomahg. He careth not for the Palestinian. He seeth a plump canary. Damascus thinketh of battle, and Amman by reason of gain again longeth for thee, and Cairo forever waiteth as a maiden to greet them as one greeteth the merchants of Bosrah.
15 Thus saith the LORD, this shall not be. They are beasts about thee, and as a man leadeth beasts to water so shall they come at my beckoning, but not drink. Their counsel will not stand, nor their conspiracy triumph….
17 Though I chastise her, it is to correct her and not to destroy her. I the LORD declare unto you before it shall happen. Send your armies back to the sun, ye of Arabia, hung shoulders and with sorrow on their faces. Damascus rebuild and fill thy time with contemplation. Riyadh, see a princeling become a king; a crown to come forth from Medina. Baghdad cast off thy brutish heads. I have declared: Israel is my chosen, saith the LORD. See Amman repent and Egypt seek peace, and make ye peace. Come and worship all ye nations. Grind your weapons into medicine, and your pride, transform it into humility. I declare unto you before it happeneth that ye may seek me and know that I have spoken and that there is no God but me, saith the LORD.
-rewrite much of this. Make an outline at the beginning that sums it up
-note that daniels’ “midst of the week” is the same as LDS phrase “meridian of time”, which fits into the whole 3.5 out of 7 in Daniel and Revelation. This is a key to comparing the week of Christ’s death, to the final “week” spoken of in Daniel & Revelation, which is a type of Oahspe’s Dan. The Dan lasts from Moses to the coming Solar Event. But REMEMBER, you don’t “measure” or count the Times of the Gentiles in the type (Rev 11:2). So even though this Dan is like 3600 – 3800 years long, you don’t ever include 2000 years of that in the symbolism. So
The below came to me in a pretty strong revelation while sick.
-The 70 week prophesy is a fractal. It not only represents the 490 years between Ezra & Christ (457 BC – 34AD), but also the 490 years between Luther and Ben Kathryn (1517 – 2006 AD). [not the ezra date is probably a bit wrong, and that 1516/17 is the year the Turkish Ottomans conquered Palestine and took it from the Egyptian Sultans].
-More importantly the 70 weeks refers to the Dan’s of Oahspe. A dan for this cycle is about ~1260 years (1260,1290 of Daniel & revelation).
Time, Times and 1/2 time equates to;
-Time ~1260 years from Moses to Babylon/Ezra
-Times ~1260×2 or 2520 from Babylon/Ezra to Ben Kathryn/rebuilding of temple.
-1/2 Time ~1260/2 or 630 from Ben Kathryn/temple to end of age/Dan when gravity wave hits us (end of 3rd density mentioned in law of one).
-So going with Oahspe’s system of Dan’s, this cycle’s dan is ~1260+2520+630 or 4410 long. (could actually be closer to 4000, and ‘Time’ closer to 1000)
-The ‘Times’ or 2520 of the Gentiles is not measured, (probably because polarity is reversed during it.)
-The 1/2 Times and ‘midst of the week of Daniel has lots of fulfillment. (obviously the fact that Christ was killed 3.5 years into his ministry and Ben Kathryn will prophesy the last 3.5 years of that week). But more importantly CHRIST CAME HALF WAY BETWEEN EZRA AND THE END (minus the times of the gentiles). Get what I mean?
The final ‘week’ is Ezra to the End (2630AD). There was a 1/2 week (600 yrs) from Ezra to Christ–then when Israel is restored around 2046-2088AD the week will resume and there will be another 1/2 week (600 yrs) until the end of time or end of 3rd density earth. The ‘abomination which maketh desolate’ is ‘set up’ in the ‘midst of the week’, in one dualistic reading, it’s the gentile church.
-Note that the Bible takes the ~4000 to 4600 years of this age and turns it into 7000 years. That’s how 40 relates to 70. 40 is real years, and 33 years is usually added to that just to fill up the time. (it’s kind of an intercalary time that’s not counted, and probably relates to some sophisticated astronomical measurement. Like where the prophetic calendar and sun calendar overlap).
-Note the 70 year patterns such as from Christ’s Birth to the Temple’s destruction and another 70 years until Israel is COMPLETELY wiped out around 140 AD. As well as the 40 years Salomon’s temple (false gentile temple) is under construction till Christ. Note the same patterns are reversing right now. There’s a 70 year period from Israel’s creation (1949AD) to Trump making Jerusalem the official capitol contrary to the UN resolution in 2018 (setting up the abomination which makes desolate, where republicans begin to be super evil). Note the 55 years mentioned in Ben Kathryn chap xx spanning from 2004ish to 1949. Note the 40 years of ‘peace’ from 2006 to 2046ish where God shall ‘still the waters’. It’s quite possible that the ’70 more years of captivity is from 2018 to 2088, or 2046ish to 2116AD or something.
-NOTE that it’s possible that there REALLY WAS A HUGE CATACLYSMS in the western Hemesphere at the time of Christ, that was caused by a switching magnetic field, and there might be another one around 2046, when the pole shifts (or it could have been at Ezra, and not happening again until the end of time 2600AD.
-Note that the Book of Ben Kathryn 45, is likely taking about TWO events. One around 2046 and the other at the end of the time 4600AD. It says, “hat ye may know the prophecy cometh and tarrieth not, cometh even unto your gates and unto your desolate mount, and extendeth even beyond the days of your rejoicing and recovery”. So it’s hard to tell if there will be any signigicant earth changes at 2046 (but just a huge war and political change of battle of gog and magog).
-It’s quite likely there will be two sets of cataclysms. One coming soon which is mostly just a mag field reversal with some minor earth changes & satellite crashdowns and WWIII (all events pretty minor). But a end time one around 2600AD that is HUGE and brings us fully into 4rth density..
-Note that it’s possible a minor dan is closer to 1000 than 1260 so it fits into the 7 days thing more and puts the end closer to 2500AD (does the BOBK/Nabion say something about 1000 years from Moses to Ezra they kept not the feasts?)